The two soft covered bibles we have are both revised 1984. The scriptures where one bible has the brackets are at Romans 6:7 For he who has died has been acquitted from (his) sin. It's not your death but Jesus death who acquitted you from sin. The King James and other bibles just read For he who is dead is freed from sin. Get it? And the other scripture is found at Colossians 1:16 which reads because by means of him all (other) things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All (other) things have been created through him and for him. The other same bible has the brackets taken away. With the brackets it separates Jesus from the rest but with out the brackets it supports a trinity. He's all in one. And that's what the society doesn't want. Acts 18:21 has a whole line taken out. What it reads is Paul bidding them farewell saying by all means I must keep the feast that is coming in Jerusalem but I will return again unto you if god will. If they kept the feasts in the old testament and we will be keeping them in the millenium Zechariah 14 then why wouldn't we be practicing them now so we'll know how to do them after. All the days and months on when to do them are recorded in the bible. And we have the two witnesses to verify when to do the Passover as well, the moon and the barley. The moon and the sun were put here for the appointed times. The appointed times not meaning day and night as you will find out as you read on in the bible. And all the feasts match up to the trumpets. Jesus made rich all the feasts at his death. Four of the trumpets have been done and now we await the next three. It's all there in the bible. Right to Revelation. As far as the teachings of the Sabbaths, feasts and festivals, and trumpets look up 119 ministries, Jim Staley, Michael Rood Nehemiah Gordon ect,, there's quite afew really good torah teachers as well as scholars you can listen to and there's just no way you can dispute their teachings once you've listened to afew of them. I just makes too much sense and makes the bible so much easier to understand. Almost too easy once you see what you were never taught from the society. We talking yesterday at our study and all of us said the same thing, how is it we came across these teachings. The only thing we can think of is Yehovah is calling his lost people back. The veils are being lifted off of peoples faces. Check it out and let me know what you think. It's way closer to the truth than these goons. Look at the scripture at Zechariah 14:16-19 says we'll be keeping the festival of booths like they did when they came out of Egypt. Leviticus 23:41 reads we do it as a statute to time indefinite. Exodus 31:16 says to keep the Sabbath to time indefinite. Jesus is lord of the Sabbath. He kept the Sabbath and came to teach what the Pharisees had gone beyond what was written in the Law or Torrah. Check it out. These torrah teachers use the whole bible but will tell you in order to understand the greek you have to read the Hebrew scriptures first. Everything Jesus taught was from the Torrah. Paul was well versed in the torrah and quoted from it all the time. You start to get a different meaning from the bible once you start just using the bible and no doctrinal literature. That's what we have found. There is no true religion out there until Jesus comes again but this so far is way closer than what we were taught. There you go, some new research for you to look up that will quickly take your mind away from the cult you have been serving. Your wife won't feel so bad once you show her what the society has been hiding from you. Test everything to make sure it originates with god and his purpose
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had another conversation with my wife this morning
by Crazyguy inshe was getting already for service so i asked her "how do you do it?
" "how do you still go and do all this spiritual stuff now that you know that my research and letter to bethel shows that the jw religion denies us the messiah"?
she got all defensive and disagreed again with what i wrote to bethel and then i had to step in and tell her that its "its them that teaches that we don't have a mediator in christ and were not under the new covenant".
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had another conversation with my wife this morning
by Crazyguy inshe was getting already for service so i asked her "how do you do it?
" "how do you still go and do all this spiritual stuff now that you know that my research and letter to bethel shows that the jw religion denies us the messiah"?
she got all defensive and disagreed again with what i wrote to bethel and then i had to step in and tell her that its "its them that teaches that we don't have a mediator in christ and were not under the new covenant".
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Also, once the elders start getting defencive on her, you will be the person she'll feel safe with and know she can talk to you about anything without any back lashes. Julia has it right. Love bomb her for my husband was by my side every inch of the way includeing in my jc hearing. Even when the elders told me he couldn't be there I got my own way in the end and thank god he was there for they tried to pull some heavy crap on me.
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had another conversation with my wife this morning
by Crazyguy inshe was getting already for service so i asked her "how do you do it?
" "how do you still go and do all this spiritual stuff now that you know that my research and letter to bethel shows that the jw religion denies us the messiah"?
she got all defensive and disagreed again with what i wrote to bethel and then i had to step in and tell her that its "its them that teaches that we don't have a mediator in christ and were not under the new covenant".
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By her going to the elders with questions, they eventually will turn on her. Get her to ask why the sabbath was not done away with after Jesus death and why Paul was still keeping it years after Jesus died. Even Jesus kept the feasts and sabbaths. He came to teach and put all that back to how Jehovah commanded it in Leviticus. And Jehovah said to keep doing it indefinetely. Society even took a line out of the bible that confirms Paul was going up to Jeruselum to keep the feast.
The elders didn't even want to see our bibles both dated the same year and yet one had the brackets in and the other had the brackets out. They said it wasn't important. Umm, yes it is for they have two different meanings now. But you can't reason with them until Jehovah removes the vale of their faces. It sure is fun watching them squirm and give you an answer like apostates like giving questions that society can't answer and do you believe the fds is the fds. She won't know what hit her, trust me.
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Another thing about the fds was he was always happy to serve his master therefore always being ever so loyal to his master. Can we really say that about the witnesses today? When we were in, we always felt like we were never good enough and to do more more more. It wasn't by Jehovah's commandments we felt that way but by the society's long list of do's and don'ts. The more we were doing for society, the farther we were getting away from Jehovah's commandments and his Law. The bible is making so much sense now. These men are the apostates not us!!!!
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Easy. They're the ones that introduced us to the real truth. You could try putting a sign up on the board at the back of your hall:)
Good luck with that for noone studies their bible in this religion. We're going to try sharing what we learn with some of our old return visits. Some have already stated what we're learning sounds alot closer to the bible than what the watchtower taught. Out of the mouths of babes.
Good luck to you.
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And also how Cornelius was suppose to be the first gentile to be in cluded into the "new" covenant. The egyptians as well as the alien resident were allowed to join themselves to Israel, Jehovah's people. That when Jesus came, he was to" renew" the old covenant with Jehovah's people, not start a new covenant. It's been the same covenant all along and that's why Jesus had to come. The pharasees and saducees had gone beyone what was written in the law(torrah) and now when Jesus comes again, he is coming to collect the lost people of Israel. Right now they are scattered all throughout the earth but those who follow Jehovah's commandments from the beginning like Jesus taught and did will be their true followers.
Yesterday we had a turkey dinner and studied Deuteronomy 11:12 to 16:12 Five others came over(ex jws) and we studied what all the Messianic Hebrews were studying world wide. Jw's say they are the onlly ones that study worldwide but it's their literature where they pluck scriptures to suite their doctrines. We study just the bible and are learning so much that we weren't shown in this religion. When ever I learn something I will post. This keeps my mind off of what I just went through with my jc and how day by day I couldn't see the light yet when I had this study yesterday and fellowship I am starting to feel better today. I can totally understand why people take their lives when they feel there's no way out. And all in the name of god. How humiliating, embarraseing that the elders could turn a whole congregation upside down to even lie.
Thanks for being there for us
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Sorry guys hit the wrong button. We all know that scripture was a parable. What Jesus was talking about was back in the hebrew scriptures at Deuteronomy chapter fifteen where the bond servant would be faithful to his master. Everything Jesus quoted was always going back to the Torrah. (first five books of the bible) And if that servant was found faithful he could stay on serving the master indefinitely after his seven years were up. This proves that the faithful and discreet slave are individuals whom only the masters Jesus and Jehovah will know and pick. Not some gb of eight stooges who appointed themselves. Remember in hebrew scriptures, the ones that Jehovah chose would have special powers to do special things like Moses,Jesus ect,, What special powers do these gb goons have besides hateful name calling and how to beat their slaves into submission to the point where they are not allowed to ask questions or they lose their families and friends forever. Jesus condemned that behaviour besides their nicolaotan behavior. There were no hiarchy or positions. Everyone was treated equal.
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Wouldn't it just makes sense for GOD to...
by confusedandalone injust one day perform some form of miracle in front of the entire earth in which he proves he exists???.
wouldn't this be the most loving and sensible thing to do?
for instance, this coming thursday god repeatedly strikes mount kilamanjaro to the point that it reads in hebrew, "god exists, i just did this.
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We will have that oppurtunity when the two witnesses come and then Jesus. The witnesses are in for a rude awakening when they think the great tribulation will be so quick like in a day some feel yet according to Revelations we have three and a half years to get our act together. Remember when society said the two witnesses were them and their stupid conventions? And then they were to be slaughtered and society said instead they were thrown in jail and that's how the preaching work had stopped momentarily? Umm, if you read in Revelations after the two witnesses are killed then comes Harmegeddon. Has that happened yet? NOT!!!!!!!!!
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Going to Kingdom Hall for first time
by InChristAlone insince my family is out of town, and i am alone this weekend, i have decided to attend this once to see these things for myself.
have no fear, i have absolutely no interest in joining.
my goal is simply to better understand how to reach those who are on the inside, and i feel i could better do that by observing it.
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Tell them your already one of Jehovah's witnesses and your on holidays. Watch how fast your dropped like a hot potato and ignored. Sure you'll get a handshake and a hello but it won't go any further than that!